Posts by Richard Oliver

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Can someone explain to me how the JW cult still has a 501.3c tax-free "charity" status when they have child abuse scandals & c

by kpop in

jw
friends

i saw this posted on another forum and it raises a very good question.

maybe we can get a go fundme page to pay for the lawyer fees?

get a good shark lawyer on this?

Richard Oliver

John Oliver did an amazing report on this type of thing. It did not talk about Watchtower but how easy it is for churches to get tax exempt status and how hard it is for a church to lose it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg

He even made his own church and received tax exempt status and highlighted what he could say some outrageous things and still not lose the status.

And this video only speaks of tax-exempt status in the US as that is the only country where a 501 (c) (3) applies as that is the only place that US tax law applies.

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Young People Ask: I’m Attracted to the Same Sex—Does That Mean I’m Gay?

by pale.emperor in

eurgh!

more patronizing and uninformed reasoning from the "experts" at bethel.

this time tackling the sensitive subject of those attracted the the same sex.

I know that I am gay, though I may be bi but more gay than straight. I know that my sexual desires do very sometimes. Sometimes I am really attracted to women and sometimes I am really repulsed by women. There are a lot of people who do believe that sexuality can be a fluid situation, if those thoughts are credible that is for everyone to determine for themselves. But I know at times my sexuality is pretty fluid.

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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

by Richard Oliver in

i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

Richard Oliver

Ruby:

I asserted that in those cases of family abuse that they did not get their victims as a result of the congregation. I did state that it would most likely occurred. I did not make my claim clearly, and for that I apologize. My point was that if they wanted to commit this crime that their access to the victim did not depend on what association they had, that their victim was part of their family and would have still been a part of their family no matter what associations they had outside of that family. Actually the research I have done, makes the 50+% of family abuse more disturbing. According to the DOJ of reported child abuse, only 30% is when the perpetrator and the victim is part of the same family.

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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

by Richard Oliver in

i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

Richard Oliver

Just Fine:

I have completely agreed with you that as long as the law doesn't prevent a clergy member from reporting it, it should be reported. I have stated that through out this thread.

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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

by Richard Oliver in

i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

Richard Oliver

Just Fine:

I am sorry that happened to you and that it was not handled properly. And like I said, I never stated that the elders were right in not reporting it, as long as the law allows them to report it to the police. And obviously you were a victim because of your association with a congregation and if you were associated with a congregation that horrible act would not have occurred. But my point is that not all child abuse cases are like your case where unless you were associated with a group the abuse would never have happened. Unfornuently, familial child abuse is much more common than when is perpetrated by a friend or stranger. My point in stating about that family abuse is that no matter who those victims families associated with there was still a strong likelihood of the abuse occurring.

But my point is that not all child abuse cases are like your case where unless you were associated with a group the abuse would never have happened. Unfornuently, familial child abuse is much more common than when it is perpetrated by a friend or stranger. My point in stating about that family abuse is that no matter who those victims families associated with there, was still a strong likelihood of the abuse occurring. And of course just one act of abuse is terrible and unthinkably awful by anyone, and should be reported to law enforcement, but unfortunately, association with organizations is hard to stop that first instance of family child abuse.

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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

by Richard Oliver in

i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

Richard Oliver

Just fine:

You are being naive. You do not read my comments with an open mind. You feel that as soon as Watchtower and Child Abuse is said in the same sentence that Watchtower is guilty. That may or not be so, but that is how you come off to me with your statements.

I said the initial abuse would have occurred no matter what. Again I agreed with you that the elders should have handled the situation better including the reporting to the police. But that the abuse would have occurred either way, even if it was just once, it would most likely have occurred.

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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

by Richard Oliver in

i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

Richard Oliver

Just Fine:

I agree with you, that the elders should have acted. But I think you would agree that either way, that victim would still have been victimized if they were a JW, a Catholic, an Athiest or Mormon? If it was a father that molested his daughter, he would still have been her father no matter what. Would instead of 20 instances of abuse it could have been cut to 15 instances of abuse or even 10, certainly that could have been the case if the elders had acted and reported to the police, but that first act would have most likely still have occurred.

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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

by Richard Oliver in

i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

Richard Oliver

Just fine:

Again I never said that they were right in not reporting it to the police or at the very least strongly encouraging that family report it. I just said that they did not gain access to the victims because they were associated with a congregation.

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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

by Richard Oliver in

i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

Richard Oliver

Giordano: If you have a reference for the belief that these "not a JW member", meant that it was they were not JWs at the time that would be interesting to see. But it could also be that a child of a JW was molested by a teacher, other relative, stranger or a number of other aspects, and the Elders reported it to the Branch for record keeping purposes only. It could be the case that it was that it just applies to those that committed the crime prior to becoming a JW, but that is why I ask because there is no indication in the analysis that I am reading.

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Sisters as Ministerial Servants?

by Spoletta in

my wife has been trying to convince me that the organization is hinting at the possibility of making some older sisters ministerial servants.

she is awake to a lot of the false doctrines, but is still clinging to the hope that the org may become more progressive in the future.

anyone else pick up on this?

Richard Oliver

Never a JW:

I can only say what the video that was produced by Watchtower speaks of and it highlights the qualities that are found in Titus of spiritually older women.